Whiskey Fire

Straight White Men Are the Gays of Hispanic Homofascism

A gay man was murdered in Greenwich Village. This is horrible and heartbreaking; are there no nightmares from which we may ever awake?

As far as hate crimes go, this is a hate crime.

However.

Wingnuts.

The real victims, if you can at all imagine it, or stomach it.

Noted asshole Dan Riehl, for instance.

Tragic to be sure. But in researching the item – other than this early NY Post item the media fails to mention that the perp is apparently an Hispanic male. Even the NYT’s seems to have decided that tidbit of news is somehow not fit to print. I wonder why?

Probably because of Benghazi?

No, honestly, the fuck? That's the takeaway from a man being murdered because of his perceived sexual orientation, that the True Horror is that the Liberal Media is conspiring to reveal that the killer is Hispanic?

What?

It's deeply weird. But if you want to understand sociopathy, ask a sociopath, so hello, Robert Stacy McCain, whom I will quote without linking, because gross:

A deluge of immigration, the breakdown of the family, the failure of public education, economic malaise — pious liberal sermonizing cannot eliminate the sources of social friction that lead to crimes like this.

And it's true. If only we adhered to the traditional values of the antebellum South, openly gay black men probably would never be shot by lower class Hispanics.

For fuck's sake.

And this is a gem:

In a culture where the ordinary sources of male self-esteem are stigmatized, doesn’t violent machismo become more common?

A common old-timey "source of male self-esteem" used to involve brutalizing "fags.'" In this "culture," though, gay-bashing can get you locked up. Thus, "stigmatizing" gay-bashing as utterly morally revolting may lead to less gay-bashing... but that might give "males" a sad, and they might lash out and gay-bash!

Truly, goofball bigots possess a dizzying intellect.

And then there is this idiot.

The gunman was Hispanic, not white.

HAW! SUCK IT LIE-BERALS!

Another thing that needs to be asked in this senseless shooting and murder of an innocent individual. How are those gun laws working in NYC Mayor Bloomberg? Like all laws, especially gun laws, they only affect law-abiding citizens.

Especially this is true of law-abiding crazy people who abide by the law and buy guns legally somewhere else, and then bring them back to New York City and kill people. That this killer may have abided by the law in the matter of a gun purchase until he decided to use that gun to murder someone for being gay, may be precisely the point.

Anyway.

Mark Carson.

He got shot in a place where he should have been safe because it was HIS place to be who he was. New York Strong: terrorists of all kinds can fuck off.

MAS. I mean, this killer clearly is a terrorist, right? He hated the American values of equality and tolerance, and he turned to violence in order to intimidate We the People from expressing these values.

Why, if I were less committed to Civil Liberties, I might call for a federal investigation into any Radical Clerics who may have had some influence upon this violent young traitor.

Wishful Thinking

Not quite as crazy as some, nonetheless entirely delusional Canadian Republican & former Bush speechwriter David Frum types:

Fortunately, the Republican 2016 field thus far remains mercifully free of the charlatans and crackpots who came to the fore in 2012. The early field is intelligent and hard-working. Paul Ryan has immense policy knowledge, Ted Cruz is a brilliant litigator and debater, Marco Rubio has made himself central to the most important legislative initiative of the year. Even Rand Paul has carefully repositioned himself as a sober-minded U.S. Senator, distancing himself from paranoia and bigotry.

Clap louder & harder, Dave, that always helps.

— M. Bouffant (Et chez moi.)

ETTOCRAM ADNAMA! ETTOCRAM ADNAMA! ETTOCRAM ADNAMA!

Many years ago I postulated the Marcotte Theorem, namely, that "mentioning the words 'Amanda Marcotte' in a post quickly summons a ludicrously verbose troll." And that was funny because not only did that throwaway joke indeed summon a verbose troll, I became aware of this Sad Place of Misery, and golly was an offhand observation ever proved right.

Anyway most sane people don't spelunk Wingnuttia like I do, but if you're like me, and I know I am, you would have been kind of impressed by the squawking occasioned by this Marcotte post, wherein I myself thought Marcotte makes an unexceptionable point: don't drag strangers into your weird shit on the Internet.

Instead of applauding Davidson for this, adults should be appalled. All that's been taught here to young men is that they are entitled to women's attention simply because they ask for it. This lesson not only feeds the unjustified grievances of the Reddit users that Stoeffel describes as "tallying up women's socially obligatory acts of kindness." It also helps build the undercurrent of fear that many women, especially younger women, have to live with in their daily lives. This entitlement we teach men crops up all the time for women, and it's rarely as cute as a silly comedy video: When a man demands that you stop on the street to entertain his proposal of going back to his place and then follows you for blocks because you pretended not to hear him. When a rape victim is told that if she didn't want to have sex, she shouldn't have gone to the rapist's hotel room. When a woman files for a restraining order because she's afraid her abusive husband means it when he says that if he can't have her, no one can.

She's right. Adults should be appalled.

Look what I said up there: "don't drag strangers into your weird shit on the Internet."

That's rather a gender-neutral rule. All it means is, leave people alone, respect their boundaries, don't violate the personal space of others because your own "personal space" is so fragile.

You're kind of a willful idiot, I think, if you sincerely believe that nowadays, even after all the progress that has been made (and progress has been made), that women don't get a lot of horrible shit.

Conor Friedersdorf, who is unaccountably employed as far as any business logic goes, though to be fair, nearly a dozen people who pay him care about what he says, and this is nowadays an Enraptured Audience, says things that are dumb.

But I object to Marcotte's argument in a deeper way. Her ultimate purpose is pushing back against real, pervasive problems that women face: street harassment, rape, spousal abuse. That's a vital project. And those scourges are partly a function of the perpetrators' entitlement. In this instance, however, her focus on those themes has caused her to treat two individuals, Upton and Davidson, as if they are stand-ins for their genders rather than individuals. She has also portrayed a strong, successful woman as if she's a humiliated victim. In doing so, she diminishes Upton and vests Davidson with more power than he possesses or ought to possess.

Bullshit. Upton was pushed into a PR situation where she had to do a Graceful Thing, because Davidson played a game winningly--  and everyone played along.

Look. The key question here is how did Davidson win this game.

Why was a "strong, successful woman" compelled to be Internet Cool because some random You Tube sex-code hacker figured out what buttons to press?

Phenomenal Stunt-Kids

Did you know who are the most racist racists in the racist history of racist racism? That would be you, redsnouts.

Dr. Ben Carson on Tuesday blasted his critics for heat he’s taken recently over controversial remarks on gay marriage, calling his white liberal detractors “the most racist out there.”

“They want to shut us up completely, and that’s why the attacks against me have been so vicious,” Carson said on the Mark Levin radio show. “I represent an existential threat to them. They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me, they can’t find anything else to delegitimize me, so they take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I’m a bigot.”

Because when you say something bigoted, it's dirty pool to quote it?

Levin said Carson was being targeted for his race.

“You’re attacked also in many respects because of your race,” Levin said. “You’re not supposed to talk like this, and a lot of white liberals just don’t like it, do they?”

“They’re the most racist people there are because they put you in a little category, a box,” Carson responded. “How could you dare come off the plantation?”

The manner in which Dr. Carson is an "existential threat" to anyone is Shrouded in Mystery. In politics, to be effective you need a constituency. Carson's constituency is people like Mark Levin who are angry that people of Carson's skin pigmentation don't want to get rid of Medicare.

We here on the Left realize that Alan West, that pizza guy who was in the primaries, Keyes, and the other total non-tokens squawking in the Townhall Columnist Rubble, have totally been swaying elections for you forever, world without end, amen.

Indeed, I quite respect Dr. Carson for what he has done in his field, and I rather hope for his sake someone close to him can intervene and make him stop talking to people like Mark Levin, because he's making an ass of himself.

Because if the Civil Rights struggle winds down to "yelling about gay marriage and NAMBLA," really? Really?

I don't think so.

MAS. Gah, others disagree. Dr. Carson will continue to shout in public about NAMBLA, and if History is kind, it will note that after he retired, "he said things that were beneath him."

I, of course, will call him a "fuckface," but in certain regards, I am not History.

 

"Consent"? Whatever Could That Be? What a Puzzle!

Proving yet again that (1) nobody can whine at quite the earsplitting volume as our friends on the Right, and that (2) nothing foxes them quite so profoundly as the concept of "consent," comes this remarkable, pig-snivelling, resentful oink from John Nolte over at Big Dead Bloatbart:

No Media Outrage After Sotomayor 'Compares' Homosexuality to Incest

If you want proof of how vicious the mainstream media is when it comes to punishing black conservatives for daring to be black and conservative, look no further than the media's coordinated attack against the openly conservative Dr. Ben Carson for making the exact same kind of argument about same-sex marriage as Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor did on the exact same day.

You see, Doctor Carson said this:

Marriage is between a man and a woman. It is a well-established fundamental pillar of society, and no group -- be they gays, be they NAMBLA [North American Man/Boy Love Association], be they people who believe in bestiality -- no matter what they are, they don't get to change the definition. So it's not something that's against gays; it's against anybody who wants to come along and change the fundamental definition of pillars of society.  It has significant ramifications.

And then noted Plantation Overseers Wolf Blitzer and Andrea Mitchell asked him about it on the teevee --  which was exactly as bad Jim Crow-level discrimination all over again. Though Nolte, bless his charred little heart, invokes a Key Knucklehead Kodicil:

Mitchell and Blitzer are not racists, but they do need to take a step back and realize that, in their zeal to aid and abet the left, they are wielding the same kind of double standards and show-trials of humiliation we saw in the segregated South.

The "not racist" exemption is there because, as is known, the cruelest form or racism that has ever existed occurs when a white person is called a racist. And a civil-rights expert of Nolte's class would never stoop so low, as he is a Gentleman of Honor, suh, and thus precisely as sensitive to such insults as, I don't know, Preston S. Brooks.

But anyhow Nolte says he has PROOF! that the Liberal Mainstream Media are the Real Racists, even if none of the whilte people in it are racists themselves, and Nolte jim-crows this PROOF! to the mountaintops! PREACH IT!

If you want proof that what NBC News and CNN engaged in yesterday was nothing more than an ideological witch hunt against a racial apostate, where was the outrage from this very same media on Tuesday after Justice Sotomayor raised the exact same kind of slippery-slope argument Carson did, herself citing illegal and immoral examples?

Because Sotomayor said:

Mr. Olson, the bottom line that you're being asked -- and -- and it is one that I'm interested in the answer: If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what State restrictions could ever exist? Meaning, what State restrictions with respect to the number of people, with respect to -- that could get married -- the incest laws, the mother and the child, assuming they are of age -- I can -- I can accept that the State has probably an overbearing interest on -- on protecting the a child until they're of age to marry, but what's left?

According to Nolte,

I do not believe Sotomayor compared homosexuality to anything. What she did is what Dr. Carson did: she played devil's advocate about the slippery-slope of what might come next if we open the Pandora's box of changing the definition of marriage. And to make that argument, like Dr. Carson, she used illegal and immoral relationships (not homosexuality) as slippery slope concerns should the definition of marriage be held to include gay marriage.

... which is stupid.

Whether or not Nolte is being wilfully stupid or just plain stupid is immaterial.

Because, you know, consent is a thing, as Sotomayor stresses, with the "assuming they are of age" phrase. Children, as in NAMBLA, are not of age, and beasts, as in beastiality, cannot agree to sex with a person.

This is not a difficult distinction, and so no, Carson and Sotomayor were not saying the same thing. Even "the horror of incest" (Nolte's phrase) between, as specified, among consenting adults does not compare to child rape or squirrel molesting.

Further "proof" that Nolte's post is dog-whistling to rabid curs may be found in his comments section, as well as the approving links from the usual snotnoses he has received.

Also, too, if you have no moral problem with a particular group of people, you are unlikely to suggest that granting them equal legal rights will lead to unrestricted sex with children. No, really.

If I Can't Change Your Mind

Liberals, or more properly The Real Racists, are in regards to The Gay Marriage The Real Bigots, for reasons that fascinate.

Openers! The King of the Dipshit Nitpick:

who could possibly be harmed by gay marriage and what possible state interest could there be in not allowing it? The attorney meant to argue against gay marriage had no clear answer here. I doubt that is becasue he is stupid, and he shopuldn't be advocating in favor of gay marriage, so that leaves me thinking he was burdened by political correctness.

Or maybe he was burdened by having to argue comical bigoted bullshit?

The King helpfully offers the Missing Evidence as to the potential evils gay marriage portends that were lamentably overlooked:

This is from a Feb 10 2004 article now archived, but excerpted here:

Bishop Gilbert A. Thompson Sr., who as pastor of New Covenant Christian Church in Mattapan heads the largest Protestant congregation in Massachusetts, said black ministers have many reasons for speaking out against gay marriage.

"We're weighing in on this because we're concerned with the epidemic rate of fatherlessness in America and in our community, and we don't think gay marriage helps that cause," he said.

I am reading between the lines a bit but I took that to mean that these inner-city ministers are trying very hard to persuade twenty year old gangsta wanna-bes that marriage is a great idea.

Golly! So...

these ministers seem to be concerned that if marriage is re-branded as a "gay thing" that it won't help them break through with their hyper-macho target audience. Well; I'm not a black minister. Maybe inner city youth aren't so homophobic now (or ever), or maybe we shouldn't let the homophobia of inner city youth drive our social policy....

Yeah, it is a Complete Mystery why the lawyers arguing the already bad case against gay marriage didn't bring up this particular non-exceptionable, stereotype-free point before the highest court in the land.

(I shit you not. Honestly. Wow.)

Moving on, the most impressively ponderous thousand-pound barely-passed bran-muffin of anti-gay gibberish was plopped by the Weekly Standard. It is all very wonderful, but sifting through it all, here are the only two kernels you need observe (and again, I shit you not):

ONE!

Oral arguments on gay marriage take place before the Supreme Court the last week of March, and the pile of amicus briefs filed by interested parties long ago passed the point of redundancy. We prefer briefs filed by disinterested parties, such as the one put before the Court earlier in the month by Leon Kass of the University of Chicago and Harvey Mansfield of Harvard University.

TWO!

Kass and Mansfield are well-known conservatives, as well as men practiced in the business of social science, and we may presume that they’re skeptical of gay marriage. This makes their amicus brief a necessary complement to another brief that has received much more publicity....

You fuckers are funny.

But then... NOBODY OUT-WEIRDS THE SON OF ERICK!

Any Christian who refuses to recognize that man wants to upend God’s order will have to be driven from the national conversation. They will be labeled bigots and ultimately criminals.

Already we have seen florists, bakers, and photographers suffer because they have refused to go along with the cultural shift toward gay marriage. There will be more.

Once the world decides that real marriage is something other than natural or Godly, those who would point it out must be silenced and, if not, punished. The state must be used to do this. Consequently, the libertarian pipe dream of getting government out of marriage can never ever be possible.

First they came for the florists...

Right.

Most "florists, bakers, and photographers" will presumably be happy to have new business. Far right heterosexual religious florists will presumably still exist, but will have a cornered market. Good for them!

Anyway, call me crazy, but I kinda think the vast majority of florists, bakers, and photographers are either are on Our Side Already, or else don't give a shit so long as the check cashes. As it should be!

And what the fuck is up with this "the state" shit? THE STATE has been used for many, many years to defend this "Godly" shit -- one of my heroes, Oscar Wilde? You know what THE STATE did to him?

The Son of Erick's paranoia is telling. THE GAYS WILL DO US WHAT WE DID TO THEM! BEWARE!

Christ.

You lost in the "national conversation." Get over it.

Over on our side? We're just partying, man. With our family.

You're invited, but if you want to stay outside in the cold and wet nursing stupid grudges, suit yourself.

 

And That's a Hit!

I have not much to say about the marriage equality stuff that Supreme Court Justice Anthony gets to decide for everyone in the entire nation because he is Ever So Wise on Issues of State-Sanctioned Legitimate Fucking.

I will, however, state forthrightly, that I quite sincerely hope Chief Justice Roberts' lesbian cousin beat him up a lot when they were kids.

The New Conservative Wonderland

I don't suppose it's possible to perform a post-mortem on CPAC; you can't technically conduct an autopsy on a zombie, can you? It's already dead. The question is not what killed it, but what keeps it groaning, ambulatory, and desperate to eat the brains it no longer possesses. As it clearly is desperate to do.

You can develop new analytic tools, I guess, such as the identification of the "Palindrone," which may be defined as the same goofy shite spelt backwards today the way it was spelt forwards in 2008.

Or else, if you have a lot of lube, credulity, and advanced yoga training, you can comport yourself as Patterico does, and reassure yourself through Internet Forensics and sticking your head up your ass that the Deep Reason blacks didn't vote for Romney was the Democrats' habit of "blaming the white people." Coordinated efforts to suppress the black vote were irrelevant; and also too, huckster panels where books are hawked promoting the idea that once black people realize that Jim Crow was a Democrat idea, and so Senator Bilbo = Barack Obama, aren't a symptom of some wider malignant idiocy.

And then there is this always comical mangy cur scavenging 'round for scraps at the Free-Market offal-pits: among other miseries, he yips that "Contrary to what the New York Times would have you believe, conservatives occasionally take time out from their usual business — hate, greed, and war — to laugh, sing, and dance."

Oh, gross. I bet Paul Ryan is the first one to knock back a few Bud Lite Platinums, stick a feather in his ass, and belt out a falsetto rendition of "Hello Dolly."

Beyond that, Robert Stacy McCain is as universally desired in a social setting as is Grima Wormtongue on a bad day for his halitosis.

Anyway, the real reason the Conservative Movement is floundering? It contains conservatives.

Oh Good, The American Right Discusses Race; This Always Ends Happily

Oh what fun. At CPAC there was a Race Panel about how Liberals Are the Real Racists, and gosh was it ever a Great Big Hit.

Others have discussed the immediate awfulness; it falls thus to this blog to examine the Pushback, which is... special.

Jim Hoft, who is a remarkably stupid person, explains that there was no racism at this panel because the people who were selling books about how conservatives aren't racists at CPAC don't think even the most clownishly obvious racists at CPAC are racists. 

OK.

I don't go in much for nutpicking, but this is Jim Hoft. So, click that link up there, go to the first comment, and... there you go:

So where's the beef? Blacks ARE grateful for the clothing, shelter and food provided by their slave masters so much so that they vote for them every election cycle.

In this person's defense, the second comment is far, far worse.

Not shitting you. Holy toboggans.

But do you want to enjoy the joke, utterly, full circle?

Sure you do! So let us visit Rick Moran, a Thoughtful Conservative, who is as it happens kind of an idiot but is also someone who vaguely senses that Racism Is Bad and thus hectors the obvious CPAC racists for letting down the side --

-- this is, by the way, FUCKING AWESOME, Rick Moran really says this:

Blacks don’t hear talk of the GOP being the opportunity party, or the party that fights for inner city parents who support the idea of vouchers to send their kids to a school of their choice. They tune out the call to end dependence and substitute dignity and self reliance. Nor do they hear about Republican focus on faith and family as the rock upon which communities survive.

The reason "blacks don't hear talk of the GOP being the opportunity party" is because that is bullshit.

AMOS: You knows, Andy, dat dem dere GOP is de Oppa-tuna-titty party.

ANDY: I is be sorry, Amos, but I is a-gonna interrupt yo' fiscal-policy cakewalk wit my Foghorn Leghorn impression, I do declare.

Gah.

Also, "blacks" may be irked at the assumption that they all live in inner cities. Or that they are all dependent, undignified lampreys who yet can sing soulful gospel numbers.

For the love of fuck.

But you know who sums this all up pithily? This Jim Hoft commenter.

Very much has been said about the bias media. But one thing for sure is, the reporting that has been done by the bias media has lead us down a slippery slop.

Indood.

They Laughed at the Skibbereen Eagle...

... but where's your Russian Emperor now!

In Modern America, the proud descendents of Skibbereen are now become the mighty and vigilant Commissioners of Susquehanna County, Pennsylvania.

With gun rights coming under fire across the border in New York State, the Susquehanna County commissioners spoke out by resolution Wednesday in favor of the Second Amendment.

Republican Commissioner Michael Giangrieco said the issues in New York prompted him to address the matter on a county level.

He proposed a resolution stating that "any federal act, bill, law, rule or executive order that in any way infringes on our Second Amendment rights by attempting to reduce the private ownership of any firearm, magazine or ammunition shall be unenforceable in Susquehanna County."

In later developments, Commissioner Giangrieco sternly warned Wen Jiabao to "knock it off."

 

(I should hope the Skibbereen Eagle joke needs no reference? Also, comments to the Scranton newspaper story linked above are exactly what you knew they were before you read them. Up in Northeast PA, they sure do get bothered when the Federal Government sticks its nose into Local Affairs. Except when it stops doing that. Click that last link -- it provides an amusing punchline!)