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November 23, 2008

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DrDick

No. No. No. You just don't understand at all. Rules are for the little people.

Susie from Philly

Who's writing what? There's no byline on this post...

Dan-in-PA

I think what's been severely glossed over by most everyone (Save calculated Risk) is that, this initial disbursement to banks is ALSO being used to "buy back" as much of these "toxic exotic securities" and credit default swaps as possible from our "critical international trading partners" that bought them. Read that as China and Saudi Arabia. And it's being done under the radar for a couple of obvious (if you accept human behavior to mean "cover your ass first").

This was Paulson's reason for being so desperate. The Saudi's and Chinese were very quietly holding him (and us) for ransom and demanding repayment for selling them garbage which we KNEW was garbage.

It's a pretty safe assumption that those with power in and "in the spotlight" will almost always act to cover their own asses first when things go severely wrong.

Dan-in-PA

I want to throw this out there too, that I firmly believe that there's a WHOLE LOT of criminal culpability for this mess on Wall Street. From ratings agencies crafting blatantly false securities ratings to senior management who knew damn well they were selling fraudulently rated product. And that IF we were ever to have an honest inquiry into the causes of this disaster, we'd also, clearly, see that complicity stretches into federal agencies as well as the (privately owned) Federal Reserve bank.

But don't hold your breath, those in our government complicit in this multi trillion dollar ripoff will, likely, never ever see justice. Because congress, on both sides of the aisle, are deeply complicit in enabling what happened.

But the progressive blogosphere CAN and SHOULD continue incessantly, to point out how DEEPLY invested in keeping this under wraps Phil Gramm, specifically, is. HE, more than anyone else, belongs in jail. (I can wish, no?)

Me

Why are we not instead spending billions of dollars on work programs like we did during the great depression

Because it's not January 20th yet.

James

Explaining the TARP $700 Billion fallacy. There are about 51 million first mortgages in the United States right now — but only about 1.4 million of them are either referred for foreclosure or in foreclosure, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association chief economist Jay Brinkmann. In other words, fewer than 3 percent of American homes with mortgages are in foreclosure. See: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94921465 (here are some of the latest but dated government figures from Oct. 2007, which are a little lower than the Brinkman numbers http://www.gao.gov/htext/d0878r.html)

The average first mortgage on a home is around $225,000.00 with payments of $1780.00 principal & interest for a period of 30 years. Here is the math:

If the US TARP program paid 100% face value for each one of the 1.4 million mortgages in foreclosure or about to go into foreclosure average $225,000.00 the cost would have been 1.4 million X $225,000.00 = $315,000,000,000 or $315 Billion dollars. In other words the US could have paid the lending industry 100% of the value of each of its bad loans, and stopped every foreclosure on every homeowner that was in foreclosure or about to be foreclosed for less than half of the $700 billion TARP program. The US could then have gone to each homeowner and renegotiated the debt to keep a large majority of the people in their homes.

This not only assumes the US would have had to pay 100% face value for each loan, but that each loan it purchased had no value, which is not true. Assuming that the average loss would have been 50%, or stated another way, that the US modified each loan with each homeowner so that it was affordable and the loan was still secured by equity in the property, say at an average loss of 50% (or the average value of each home in foreclosure was 1/2 of the mortgage debt), this means the US would have written down 50% of the $315 billion cost. So saving each homeowner in or facing foreclosure would have cost a little less than $160 Billion. Throw in another $40 billion to set up and administer the program similar to the depression era HOLC program and some unexpected costs and liabilities, the US could have saved almost everyone in foreclosure at a cost of around $200 Billion. What are Bush and Paulson doing with the other $500 Billion in the TARP program? Paying off the credit derivative losses I suspect. What were the Democrats thinking when they approved this nonsense TARP?

James

Forgot to mention if you include the interest the US would make on each loan and throw in a small equity kicker on resale or refinance as a condition of the gov't's modification program, the cost is even less than $200 billion.

laym

Shouldn't that stamp say "Fail" instead of "Denied"? This is the internets, after all.

flory

See, here's the thing...THAT'S YOUR FUCKING JOB!

Not really. Their job is actually to get re-elected. The rest of it is a hobby.

Good Old Julius Streicher (Ret.)

The really appalling part of this interview is [Dodd's] revelation that the 700 billion is just the tip of the iceberg. Once all the pieces of this bailout are included the pricetag will be in the ballpark of 5 Trillion.

Since this crisis began, the 'Masters Of The Universe' who created it have fought to hold on to their positions -- partly out of human nature; partly from arrogance. But the overarching theme is denial.

If all of the 'exotic' financial instruments are taken into consideration, the combined, leveraged debt world-wide may be in excess of fifty-plus dollars. When all this fun began over a year ago, some economists and 'entrepeneurs' understood exactly where it would lead -- but for the home-building, mortgage and investment banking and trading house CEOs, for Lil' Boots and his 'administration', denial was and still is the overarching theme.

the problem is as large as it is would mean they'd failed; that they were responsible for a fuck-up so huge that it would be almost unimaginable in dimensions of human misery -- not that they care much about that, but someone would have to be blamed, you see.

Good Old Julius Streicher (Ret.)

"...may be in excess of fifty-plus dollars."

That's fifty-plus trillion dollars. Because if it was fifty bucks, you know, I can probably cover that. No sweat.

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