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Josh Trevino

I'll break a rule just this once, because there's something illustrative in the following:

....here was someone wanting to primarily define "integrity" as "respect for a person's right to anonymity online....

Wrong. No such right exists; nor did anyone -- but for you and yours -- ever posit this fake "right" as the prerequisite of "integrity." Respect for anonymity or pseudonymity online is at best a courtesy, as there is no generalized moral case for respecting another's preference for it. (There are specific moral cases, but you have cited none here.) You and those like you fetishize your play-names as a means of escaping natural consequences. This is not irrational of you; neither is it something others are bound to respect. Your objection to the failure to show that respect is therefore irrelevant.

On the OI Statement of Principles itself, the issue of anonymity/pseudonymity was third out of four, and qualified, at that. This Statement was a compromise document -- drafted by a left-wing majority -- and as such, does not reflect my own views on the subject, nor anyone else's, 100%. All this has been public knowledge from the beginning.

The remainder of your post, based as it is upon these false premises, is therefore discarded.

marc page

Pardon me a moment while I retrieve that post .... hmm ... looks okay to me ...

"Josh Trevino" (if that's your real name, and you don't think you've disgraced it quite enough just yet) maybe it's time you went outside for a while ; took a little walk; got some air ...

some of us are beginning to worry about you ...

well, not really, but just the same -- you really need to get some help; becoming known as an 'internet stalker' will not look good on your resume.

Clarke in Hoboken, about 5'9", grey hoodie

"You and those like you fetishize your play-names as a means of escaping natural consequences."

Christ, what a jagoff you are, Trevino. Only in a mind as diseased as yours can "having someone's psycho readership send you roadkill in a shoebox along with a cryptic note" be synonymous with "natural consequences."

Oh, and I know pseudonymity doesn't make sense to a guy so empty inside he needs to see his name in print as much as possible, but you're overanalyzing it. Some online writers/commenters want to stay off the grid for whatever reason, but the vast majority use pseuds for a real simple reason: Thirtysomething honkies don't get to have rap names.

Ripley

You and those like you fetishize your play-names as a means of escaping natural consequences.

I hope you'll expound on this natural consequences business, Josh. In my view, it seems that 99% of the 'consequences' over the last 9 months or so have been birthed by neocon bloggers attempting to silence or intimidate liberal bloggers.

I don't suppose you'll take me seriously until I post my DOB, SS #, bank account info and Mother's maiden name online, though. Would that make my "objection to the failure to show that respect" valid?

Phoenix Woman

Funny, Josh "Tacitus" Trevino spent much if not most of his online life using a pseudonym. But of course, Republicans are nothing without their hypocrisy and their cognitive dissonance.

Oregon guy

I read ticky-tacky's blog back in 2003, when I thought it was a kind of center-right counterweight to DKos. Once the room filled with mouthbreathing yahoos and the ever-ebullient-and-vocabularious Tacitus, I got bored and left.

Every now and again I see his name popped up on one site or other, like the Sadly No! thread he hijacked (linked above).

Judge for yourselves: the man puts his image online (brandishing a light-saber, no less). SN! publishes parody of said image (as if parody was necessary). At some point later in time, Tacky comes to SN! attempting to out the writer going by the name of HTML Mencken, by using information posted in Mencken's (in no way related) MySpace or FaceBook page.

Now I am a believer in not putting anything online, which is why the most info you'll get on the Oregon guy is on my DKos profile (so there's your tip when you want to out me, Tacky). Spoiler - it sez I'm in the Army.

Anyhoo - Tacky is a waste of time whose many blogs have crashed and burned (fizzled would probably be a more appropriate term), and he now spends his time on the left coast (oh, the irony) as a recipient of wingnut welfare (more irony for you).

Avoid him. He's a douchebag.

sdf (Stu)

The remainder of your post, based as it is upon these false premises, is therefore discarded.

Zing! Zowie!

If Conservapedia needs more of those fine prose stylists, it knows where to recruit.

Hubris Sonic

What a pathetic fuck you are Trevino... go back on your meds you sorry fuck.

Righteous Bubba

On the OI Statement of Principles itself, the issue of anonymity/pseudonymity was third out of four, and qualified, at that.

The third is where it was listed by name, but I get this crazy idea that the first two have something to do with it too.

Spirit of the law is as important as letter, no? It is, after all, "simple".

The Online Integrity Statement of Principles is simple:

1. Private persons are entitled to respect for their privacy regardless of their activities online. This includes respect for the non-public nature of their personal contact information, the inviolability of their homes, and the safety of their families. No information which might lead others to invade these spaces should be posted. The separateness of private persons’ professional lives should also be respected as much as is reasonable.

2. Public figures are entitled to respect for the non-public nature of their personal, non-professional contact information, and their privacy with regard to their homes and families. No information which might lead others to invade these spaces should be posted.
3. Persons seeking anonymity or pseudonymity online should have their wishes in this regard respected as much as is reasonable. Exceptions include cases of criminal, misleading, or intentionally disruptive behavior.
4. Violations of these principles should be met with a lack of positive publicity and traffic.

Oregon guy

Oh yeah, one other thing:

You and those like you fetishize your play-names as a means of escaping natural consequences. This is not irrational of you; neither is it something others are bound to respect. Your objection to the failure to show that respect is therefore irrelevant.

Sounds like the work of someone who has never had a security interview, or perhaps someone who has liked to keep work/meat-space/and on-line space separate.

I used to post on a sports blog regularly. There was this one guy who basically made a fetish out of identifying all the people who supported his team's rival (which happened to be the team I supported). One day my bosses and some professional associations got calls from this asshole, who had spent some hours tracking down my personal info.

So fuck you Trevino, there are plenty of us who wish to, and choose to, remain anonymous. YOU are not the arbiter of other people's lives.

You are, on the other hand, a two-faced, smarmy loser.

clap shitty

The remainder of your post, based as it is upon these false premises, is therefore discarded.

The right wing simply cannot help writing in the passive-voice style of a dungeon master's guide.

Judge Larry

Has the lightsaber photo been entered into evidence?

I will rule on where it is to be buried after I see it for myself.

Anonymous, Based of Principle 3

This is just precious. Tacitus argues that he shouldn't be held accountable for 25% of the principles that he voluntarily endorsed (50%, really, since ignoring Principle 3 essentially negates Principle 4). This is clearly someone who lacks the gene for basic embarassment.

Of course, in a sense, Tacitus is the Pete Best of bloggers. He was there in the Cavern Club as the Beatles were forming and he probably thought that he would be whisked along on the ride to the top. It must be hard to face the fact that, while many of your contemporaries have become major players in the blogosphere (e.g., Atrios and Kos), you didn't quite make it.

Actually, this site only helps Tacitus by giving him a brief moment in the sun, and Atrios gives him an early Xmas gift by even mentioning his name on a first-tier blog.

Lawnguylander

What a drag is right.

I had no idea that was still going on. What I can't figure out about this Trevino character is whether he comes by his pretentious writing style naturally or if it's an affect meant to impress his mouth breathing readers. The kind who read Hitchens but have no idea what the fuck he's talking about and get frustrated. So they read Tacky and see phrases like the following and feel part of the club of intellectulas at last;

I have stated previously that I endorse cruel things in war — to eschew them is folly.

It is indeed difficult to imagine now the methods that transformed the Philippines for us, and South Africa for the British, from bitter foe to steadfast friend being applied in Iraq. Would that they were. But patriotism, pride, and honor are nonetheless still present in the American character. It is the American political class that lacks them in corresponding measure.

Would that they were? Which is worse his pomposity or his genocidal tendencies?

JimPortlandOR

Has anyone mentioned that tacky is an arrogant fuck?

Reading his RedState and Tacitus posts over several years (intermittently, since a regular diet of his blather is bad for one's health), makes clear that no one is as smart, clearheaded, or consistent as he is - in his own judgement.

And hey, that lightsaber is awesome. The sign of real adult at work.

Rob

Not killing anyone is like 7 out of 10! Obviously God really didn't mean it!

Doctor Biobrain

Personally, I never like to know a blogger's real name. It takes out all the fun and makes them seem mortal. I myself would never use a fake name, as Mr. and Mrs. Biobrain would never forgive me for it. But were I to do so, I'd prefer that people continue to use the fake name. It makes us bigger than life.

Nobody cares when celebrities use fake names, so why can't we? But Josh's comment says it all. He likes to be able to punish people with "natural consequences". And truth be told, I'd rather be mocking a dude named Tacitus than "Josh Trevino". That makes it all too personal and it's kind of embarrassing. Even now, I wish I never knew Tacitus' real name. But I guess I wouldn't mind if I had never heard the fake one either.

James G

What the? Comment #1 pretty much shows the conservative mind to me. It's exactly like Bush's signing statements. You sign something, but you add a qualifier saying what it says isn't what it meant. And Tacitus was bludgenoning lefties who didn't want to sign the agreement. I guess he had his fingers crossed.

mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari

Josh Trevino, putting the mouth back into mouth-breather.

dmbeaster

Trevino:

This Statement was a compromise document -- drafted by a left-wing majority -- and as such, does not reflect my own views on the subject, nor anyone else's, 100%.

I see! You had your fingers crossed when you made the pledge. Your pledge does not extend to those parts for which you harbor secret reservations.

Hypocrite.

Kind of like Dick Cheney's pledge to the Constitution -- that document full of limitations insisted on by those dodgy leftists.

Sceptic

You and those like you fetishize your play-names as a means of escaping natural consequences

I love this comment by Tiky Taky because it lays bare his agenda. What he is refering to is that in our day to day world, the world of work and work rules, courts and laws, print media and politicians, there are many ways to hurt people you disagree with that are perfectly legal; he can bother your boss to get you fired, register a frivilous libel suit againts you, defame you in the media or let a political operative expose you as an example.

What Tavino fails to recognize is that despite the fact that these actions are all legal, they are morally wrong in the context of internet based political debate. They violate the very idea of Western Democracy.

What kind of person wants to fuck another person up just becasause he doesn't like what was said in a political argument?

An ugly morally crippled person.

When he talks about "natural consequences" he reveals his ugly nature. But maybe it is not that personal. This attitude is happily embraced by all conservative Republicans, after all when you 'know' the truth why let morality stop you?

Sceptic

You know now that I think about it, Trevino is part and parcel of the authoritarian anti-enlightenment forces that make up the modern Republican party. He doesn't care about democratic deliberation or argument, he doesn't care about empiricism, reason or facts. He cares about knowing his side is right and silencing anyone who disagrees by any means possible. All under the guise of 'civility'.

The American Right is out to destroy the democratic traditions and practices that have made the West great. And they just don't care. Some always wanted to destroy modern Western society (the religious nuts) others have deluded themselves that we have to burn the village to save it (i.e. conservative 'thinkers')
The bottom line is they need to be stopped, pushed back and transmuted into a political force that stands by liberal democracy and its institutions.

I know I know - good luck with that.

paperwight

The fun part here is that Trevino is a hack who lives on the wingnut welfare handouts he gets from the proto-feudalists whose agenda he justifies, so as long as he hews to the wingnut line, there's nothing he can say that will hurt his day job. In fact, the more actual damage he does to people who criticize him and his paymasters, the more likely he is to get a raise.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people who work for companies with Trevino's politics, or live in places full of people with Trevino's sense of "discretion". So when Trevino "outs" his critics, he's actually trying to harm them using an attack to which he's immune because he's successfully attached himself, in the fashion and function of a remora, to the larger predators. All class, that guy.

whetstone

On the OI Statement of Principles itself, the issue of anonymity/pseudonymity was third out of four, and qualified, at that.

Maybe they should have put them all on the same line, so as not to confuse Josh. Or put them all on top of each other.

pseudonymous in nc

Trevino?

You really are a toxic cunt with a power-of-the-name fetish that deserves to be medicated along with your other symptoms.

Whatever

If I recall correctly, one of the things that dear little Tacitus was ever-so-sensitive about during his early blogging days was references to his youthfulness, particularly with reference to the immaturity of some of his opinions and posts. One would think that the dear little lad would have learned by now that if one is sensitive about one's age and one's lack of maturity, one should refrain from posting childish nonsense and playing childish games, as on this thread and on the thread linked. Alas, I fear that he has a long way to go.

You see, Tac, when someone plays childish games, as you have frequently accused others of doing, the adult thing to do is to ignore them or laugh at them. When you play games in return, you are simply confirming their opinion and making yourself look, well, childish and silly.

What I find most interesting is that dear little Tacitus lacks the courage of his convictions. As the linked post so clearly shows, Tacitus' reference to the Boer War was not merely a thought experiment, but was instead a (mindbogglingly stupid) statement of principles and tactics. Since he cannot defend his posts on the merits, he must instead resort to childish games and ad hominem attacks to direct attention away from his (mindbogglingly stupid) posts.

Since such attempts at redirection are so fricking hilarious, particularly in light of his background and his pomposity, I fear they work all too well. Ah, well, such is life.

Innocent Bystander

Well, I think we've all learned that anything committed to writing by the apologists who put Party before Country is pretty much subject to revision and complete repudiation as the current events dictate. Go read T-Bogg's latest on Dan Reihl for another example of the "tails, we win / heads, you lose" thinking that permeates the Bush universe.

But what I find most intriguing is that Josh was the 1st poster on this thread. Hmmmm, random happenstance or proof that Josh is spending a lot of time tracking and defending the Tacticus brand name on the intertubes?

I got this visual of Josh, sitting at his computer, dressed up as a Greek warrior, refreshing his name search script over and over and over...ever vigilant for a new mention of his name.

Rich

My younger brother is a musician in New York (See his MySpace profile)and he's very, very absolutist about online privacy. First names ONLY for him! It ain't just bloggers who are concerned about online privacy! Obviously, Dave has either had of has known of people with privacy issues.

Rich

Hmm, links don't seem to work here, so Dave's at
http://www.myspace.com/davespaceny

nitpicker

Thersites,

Now you're just being mean. Not to Josh, who deserves all the ridicule you can muster, but to his poor wife, who will now have to spend most of her weekend with Josh's head in her lap, gently patting his head and whispering "There there, now. There there..."

iamcoyote

Who is this dipshit, anyhow? Sounds like the trailer trash I've seen in KKK documentaries attempting to sound "smart" by jamming as many polysyllabic words into sentences as possible.

"Is you is, or is you ain't my constit'yancy?"

Someone, please, for the love o' all that is decent, take away this guy's thesaurus before he hurts somebody! But then, that is the point, isn't it? His pseudo-writing is so lame, it wouldn't hurt a fly, so he has to resort to bully tactics to feel "adequate." What a freakin' loser!

scudbucket

this is all so silly.

1.anonymity is a choice, but not a protected right.

2. Wingnuts advocate the use of power and retribution as political tools.

Trevino isn't playing nice here, but that is precisely what incensed HTML to begin with (Trevino's advocating genocide, for example). Trevino's behavior is entirely consistent (even if the principles underlying it aren't), and HTML was naive to think Trevino would play by some principled rule and not out him.

Bottom line: if you have a weakness, wingnuts will exploit it to their advantage. Isn't this simply SOP for wingnuts? WHy would HTML have ever thought otherwise?

ice weasel

What's so odd about people such as trevino and goldberg is the amount of personal venom they invest in stalking their online victims. It's not just making fun of your "opponent's" weaknesses or hypocrisy, it's about destroying them or hurting them. It's really odd in a pre-teen, vindictive kind of way.

They're both, jeffy and joshie, sad, little people; souless and not nearly intellectually frightening as they wish they were.

Whatever

Glenn Greenwald's column over at Salon.com is particularly appropriate reading today. Quoting from a particularly prescient 1964 Richard Hofstadter essay:

As a member of the avant-garde who is capable of perceiving the conspiracy before it is fully obvious to an as yet unaroused public, the paranoid is a militant leader. He does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish.

I wonder if Tacitus will recognize himself in either Greenwald's column or Hofstadter's essay. I would bet not.

Max Renn

"Now, me, I see a statement of principles as an aspiration and a guide for behavior, and not as grounds for endless, twisty, knotty ethical negotiation and compromise. The weasel's twist, the weasel's tooth -- sign a pact with Tac, that's what you get."

And Sack-o-Shatner really wants to torture you. That's his real goal. I think he has a copy of Hostel in his DVD player at all times.

ice weasel

Something else that I meant to mention. Innocent Bystander above made an absolutely marvelous point and used the phrase, " Tacticus brand name". And it seems, for many of these right wingtards that it is some kind of brand name they're protecting. Oh, asshats like tacky (and the paste-eater to a lesser extent) will scream all day long about honor and such but their honor isn't at stake. It's the judgment of what they write. And that's what these assholes miss. It's not about a brand name. It's not about the influence you think your URL wields, every day, in every post, it's about the content. That's the only thing that makes blogging have any legitimacy.

Sure, we're all human (well, most of us anyway) and we make mistakes. The good bloggers repent, correct and move on. The shitty ones, just jeffy and ticky-tacky-tacitous, they have to swell their chests and cry conspiracy or start trying to undermine their critics rather than just respond to the criticism.

It sucks to be wrong but it sucks a lot harder when you try to blow smoke up peoples' asses all day long about never being wrong. Even idiots know that's not possible.

It's the same game the shitheads playing the "I'm not a republican, I'm a (fill in the blank with conservatarian or libertarian or whatever they spew)" it's dishonest. It's an affectation of objectivity when again, even to the dumbest amongst us, we all know differently. It's the reverse of demonizing the word "liberal". It's taking a stand with no pain of having to defend a place in the contiuum.

Sad losers. Just fucking sad.

Whatever

By the way, to see Tacitus at his best, you really need to see his hymn to Ronald Reagan. A truly amazing, not to mention delusional, bit of hagiography.

FeralLiberal

On the OI Statement of Principles itself, the issue of anonymity/pseudonymity was third out of four, and qualified, at that.

"Exceptions include cases of criminal, misleading, or intentionally disruptive behavior."

And just who is the arbiter of said exceptions? The one trying to justify his actions? Now that's integrity.

Integrous

I think the problem is that welfare wingnuts such as Trevino are put up to unfair comparison with bloggers on the left who get their notice solely from their writing and research skills.
Tacky, on the other hand, doesn't have an ounce of talent, negative writing skills, and only a very, very modest intellect.
You see where I'm going, don't you? The problem is----affirmative action.
If tacky hadn't been given "jobs" because of his race and caveman political beliefs, but instead had had to work up the ladder doing a real job for bosses who actually had performance review, he would have learned to roll with the punches when he gets challenged. He would have developed some self-confidence. As it is, he's a pathetic wreck, a walking DSM-IV clinical example in several categories, a sensitive fop who goes apeshit because someone posted a picture of him wearing a dress at his wedding.
Gack---what a LOSER!

Thers

"Is you is, or is you ain't my constit'yancy?"

iamcoyote, that cracked me the heck right up.

Thers

asshats like tacky... will scream all day long about honor and such but their honor isn't at stake. It's the judgment of what they write.

I think that's true.

What drives Tac nuts seems to be a refusal to take him seriously.

iamcoyote

Thers, then I've completed my mission. Do I get a cookie?

Innocent Bystander

"I think the problem is that welfare wingnuts such as Trevino are put up to unfair comparison with bloggers on the left who get their notice solely from their writing and research skills."

If nothing else, the blogosphere is really a great example of freemarket principles at work. The product is opinion and writing skills. The currency are page hits and site stats. Those that got, get...those that don't, won't. That's why the 'net's a threat to those who pay big money to have their ideas broadcast.

Tacticus, et al, might have some skillz in writing (they do write a lot and practice makes better). But when you're defending bankrupt ideas, corrupt ideology, and rank hypocrisy... it really doesn't matter how well you put words together, does it?

So Tacticus is forced to visit enemy territory because it's getting mighty lonely finding new buyers in his marketplace. As any marketing guy will tell you, if you want to peddle an inferior product, it's smart business to set-up shop near your successful competitors.

marc page

And Goldstein has been teasing his 'readers' that he might, just might, "quit blogging at the end of March.

Context:

http://www.hogonice.com/2007/02/more_on_the_goldstein_fracas.html

I truly appreciate the (mostly) kind words and support you and commenters have shown me, Steve. But the truth is, Pajamas Media and I are still in negotiations. So we’ll see how it goes.

My understanding is that they’re very interested in keeping me on. The devil is in the details.

Best,
Jeff
Jeff G | Homepage | 02.22.07 - 10:35 pm | #

Thers

Thers, then I've completed my mission. Do I get a cookie?

Cookies for all!

Spokane Moderate

Cookies for all!

Woo-hoo!!

iamcoyote

Woohoo! Now, I'm off to break a buncha commandments, since only the first one is binding.

Eli

Okay, so if I understand this correctly, any entitlement to online privacy or pseudonymity is forfeited the moment that one commits a Grievous Offense Against Humanity And Morality, such as disagreeing with or criticizing Trevino, or posting pictures of him with a lightsaber?

Or is the forfeiture retroactive?

marc page

That would seem to be Mr. Trevino's policy position ... unless it's all been just a "thought experiment."

Integralicious

Innocent Bystander: Tacky has overwriting skills.
No one makes him prune his prose, or tighten his thinking. His prose is as flaccid as a GOP jedi's spine in battle.

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